BB Day 93 9-18-15
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BB Day 93 9-18-15
Banjo 2015-09-18, 15:42
I don't agree that Liz should win. Based just on game play/strategy it should be Vanessa , but getting the jury votes might not be so easy.
Posted: 18 Sep 2015 10:00 AM PDT
After a long, dramatic, teary, and all-over-the-place summer, we are finally down to the Final 3 houseguests of Big Brother 17.
BB17-Scorecard-F3
Big Brother 17 Final 3: Liz, Steve and Vanessa
We’ve got Vanessa, the millionaire poker player who has cried her way to the end; Liz, the other half of a twin sisterhood and showmance that had her path to the end literally cleared for her; and Steve, the token nerd superfan who managed to get all the way there without his mom or his trombone.
So which of those three played the best game? And which of those three deserve to win Big Brother 17? Are those two people the same? Let’s pick apart the Big Brother 17 final three one by one and see if we can answer those questions. Let’s do this alphabetically:
Liz Nolan
BB17-Scorecard-Liz
Liz came into the game with her sister Julia as part of the twin twist. While she and Julia weren’t identical enough to pull off the twist for long (that pesky tooth), they did manage to stay for most of the game. Was it game prowess that helped keep such huge targets in the game? Well, that’s up for debate. But I’m going to go ahead and say no.
I believe Liz made it to the end because she aligned with the right people and she got lucky that more people didn’t see her and her twin sister as a threat. These kinds of things tend to happen when recruits outnumber fans of the show.
Aligning with the most powerful people in the house and faking that showmance with Austin (that later turned into the real deal) were some of Liz’s best moves in the game. But Liz’s best quality was her loyalty. She never betrayed a member of her alliance, and every time she had to nominate someone for eviction, she stayed true to her allies. That deserves some respect.
Liz’s competition record (3 HOHs and 1 veto) are also pretty impressive for a contestant not many people expected to do well in the game. Liz’s strategy wasn’t the greatest as she turned to Vanessa and Austin a lot on what to do, but her social game is outstanding compared to the other two people in the final three.
Does Liz deserve to win Big Brother 17? Yes. I think the fact that Liz outlasted so many people despite playing with a twin and being in a showmance is reason enough to consider voting for her in the end.
Can Liz win Big Brother 17? This I’m not sure of. I think Liz could beat Steve, but not Vanessa. But it’s always so hard to tell what a jury will do. But I do think there’s a chance with James, Meg, Jackie, Austin and Julia sitting on that jury.
Here we see how/why Vanessa has made it this far and how she stands the best chance of certainly going to F2 and even winning aside from the jury vote uncertainty.
Big Brother 17: Vanessa Plays The Middle In Final 3
Posted: 18 Sep 2015 08:00 AM PDT
Vanessa Rousso looks to be one competition away from winning Big Brother 17 but that doesn’t mean she is going to rest on her game play.
Vanessa swears her F2 deals don’t exist – Source: CBS All Access
Shortly after the Final 3 formed Vanessa was already in action mode with both Steve Moses and Liz Nolan to shore up her deals and secure her position of playing the middle of both her F3 opponents.
Kick things off on Wednesday night at 6:24 PM BBT 9/16 as Vanessa sits with Steve in the open bedroom. Steve asks if Vanessa made a F2 deal with Liz. Vanessa wags her finger “I never had one with her. I give you my word. Nope. I did not.” She raises her hand and repeats, “I did not. Those words did not come out of my mouth.” We’ve got a semantics game here again with Vanessa as she continues to insist there is no F2 deal between the ladies.
Steve continues to question and asks if she and Liz are taking each other. “No,” responds Vanessa as she shakes her head. Steve is surprised that Vanessa didn’t try to make a deal with Liz in exchange for keeping her over John in the eviction completed just minutes before this. Vanessa says if she did that then it’s between her and Liz.
He reminds Vanessa that he’d be easier to beat than Liz in front of the Jury. She agrees and says “that’s why I made the promise that I did.” That promise was Vanessa would take Steve to the end.
Jump forward seven hours later to 1:31 AM BBT 9/17. Steve has just gone inside the DR which means it’s go time for Vanessa and Liz to talk alone in the bathroom.
“Listen. He can not know we have a deal, okay?” says Vanessa. “If I get to finals with [Steve], whatever I tell him is not the truth. Okay? Listen to me, I give you my word. I am going to take you. He can not know,” continues Vanessa.
Liz then questions Vanessa the same as Steve did. “He thinks… don’t you have a deal with him?” asks Liz. “No!” exclaims Vanessa. She tells Liz that if Liz doesn’t pull through on Round 2 then she may have to make false deals with Steve. “If I win I will take you though no matter what I tell him… I just need you to keep your mouth shut.” Then my favorite Vanessa line. “My word is good and you know my word is good.”
Making things even easier on Vanessa is Liz’s explanation that she won’t try to make a deal with Steve. “I literally only have you,” explains Liz who goes on about how she won’t be going to Steve to work around her.
Right now Vanessa has promised both Steve and Liz that she’ll take them from F3 to F2 while knowing they each fear the other opponent. This helps keep them from talking to the other out of concern that it’d be run back to Vanessa and she’d take the other instead.
Gridlock. Just as we’ve seen all season, the Houseguests fear upsetting Vanessa. They are paralyzed from taking action against her out of fear that she’ll take revenge and exclude them. Each believes they have a reliable route to the F2 if Vanessa at the wheel. I really doubt either Liz or Steve will risk that by talking to the other to make a Round 3 deal.
So what is Vanessa really planning to do? At this point I think she may want to take Liz. Vanessa has explicitly promised both, but the deals with Steve are older and she’s more recently getting in to the details with Liz.
It’s really about who gets second if Vanessa is involved and makes it to F2. She won’t lose to either of them even with Liz starting out with two votes in her corner. I don’t even see Steve voting against her if she cuts him. He’ll respect her game move more than being bitter enough to vote for Liz.
What do you think Vanessa is up to here? Her “word” can’t be good with both players if she wins Round 3 and I don’t think she’ll possibly throw that comp to avoid breaking a deal. So what’s the game plan? Honor her F2 deal with Steve or Liz? Share your thoughts.
Posted: 18 Sep 2015 10:00 AM PDT
After a long, dramatic, teary, and all-over-the-place summer, we are finally down to the Final 3 houseguests of Big Brother 17.
BB17-Scorecard-F3
Big Brother 17 Final 3: Liz, Steve and Vanessa
We’ve got Vanessa, the millionaire poker player who has cried her way to the end; Liz, the other half of a twin sisterhood and showmance that had her path to the end literally cleared for her; and Steve, the token nerd superfan who managed to get all the way there without his mom or his trombone.
So which of those three played the best game? And which of those three deserve to win Big Brother 17? Are those two people the same? Let’s pick apart the Big Brother 17 final three one by one and see if we can answer those questions. Let’s do this alphabetically:
Liz Nolan
BB17-Scorecard-Liz
Liz came into the game with her sister Julia as part of the twin twist. While she and Julia weren’t identical enough to pull off the twist for long (that pesky tooth), they did manage to stay for most of the game. Was it game prowess that helped keep such huge targets in the game? Well, that’s up for debate. But I’m going to go ahead and say no.
I believe Liz made it to the end because she aligned with the right people and she got lucky that more people didn’t see her and her twin sister as a threat. These kinds of things tend to happen when recruits outnumber fans of the show.
Aligning with the most powerful people in the house and faking that showmance with Austin (that later turned into the real deal) were some of Liz’s best moves in the game. But Liz’s best quality was her loyalty. She never betrayed a member of her alliance, and every time she had to nominate someone for eviction, she stayed true to her allies. That deserves some respect.
Liz’s competition record (3 HOHs and 1 veto) are also pretty impressive for a contestant not many people expected to do well in the game. Liz’s strategy wasn’t the greatest as she turned to Vanessa and Austin a lot on what to do, but her social game is outstanding compared to the other two people in the final three.
Does Liz deserve to win Big Brother 17? Yes. I think the fact that Liz outlasted so many people despite playing with a twin and being in a showmance is reason enough to consider voting for her in the end.
Can Liz win Big Brother 17? This I’m not sure of. I think Liz could beat Steve, but not Vanessa. But it’s always so hard to tell what a jury will do. But I do think there’s a chance with James, Meg, Jackie, Austin and Julia sitting on that jury.
Here we see how/why Vanessa has made it this far and how she stands the best chance of certainly going to F2 and even winning aside from the jury vote uncertainty.
Big Brother 17: Vanessa Plays The Middle In Final 3
Posted: 18 Sep 2015 08:00 AM PDT
Vanessa Rousso looks to be one competition away from winning Big Brother 17 but that doesn’t mean she is going to rest on her game play.
Vanessa swears her F2 deals don’t exist – Source: CBS All Access
Shortly after the Final 3 formed Vanessa was already in action mode with both Steve Moses and Liz Nolan to shore up her deals and secure her position of playing the middle of both her F3 opponents.
Kick things off on Wednesday night at 6:24 PM BBT 9/16 as Vanessa sits with Steve in the open bedroom. Steve asks if Vanessa made a F2 deal with Liz. Vanessa wags her finger “I never had one with her. I give you my word. Nope. I did not.” She raises her hand and repeats, “I did not. Those words did not come out of my mouth.” We’ve got a semantics game here again with Vanessa as she continues to insist there is no F2 deal between the ladies.
Steve continues to question and asks if she and Liz are taking each other. “No,” responds Vanessa as she shakes her head. Steve is surprised that Vanessa didn’t try to make a deal with Liz in exchange for keeping her over John in the eviction completed just minutes before this. Vanessa says if she did that then it’s between her and Liz.
He reminds Vanessa that he’d be easier to beat than Liz in front of the Jury. She agrees and says “that’s why I made the promise that I did.” That promise was Vanessa would take Steve to the end.
Jump forward seven hours later to 1:31 AM BBT 9/17. Steve has just gone inside the DR which means it’s go time for Vanessa and Liz to talk alone in the bathroom.
“Listen. He can not know we have a deal, okay?” says Vanessa. “If I get to finals with [Steve], whatever I tell him is not the truth. Okay? Listen to me, I give you my word. I am going to take you. He can not know,” continues Vanessa.
Liz then questions Vanessa the same as Steve did. “He thinks… don’t you have a deal with him?” asks Liz. “No!” exclaims Vanessa. She tells Liz that if Liz doesn’t pull through on Round 2 then she may have to make false deals with Steve. “If I win I will take you though no matter what I tell him… I just need you to keep your mouth shut.” Then my favorite Vanessa line. “My word is good and you know my word is good.”
Making things even easier on Vanessa is Liz’s explanation that she won’t try to make a deal with Steve. “I literally only have you,” explains Liz who goes on about how she won’t be going to Steve to work around her.
Right now Vanessa has promised both Steve and Liz that she’ll take them from F3 to F2 while knowing they each fear the other opponent. This helps keep them from talking to the other out of concern that it’d be run back to Vanessa and she’d take the other instead.
Gridlock. Just as we’ve seen all season, the Houseguests fear upsetting Vanessa. They are paralyzed from taking action against her out of fear that she’ll take revenge and exclude them. Each believes they have a reliable route to the F2 if Vanessa at the wheel. I really doubt either Liz or Steve will risk that by talking to the other to make a Round 3 deal.
So what is Vanessa really planning to do? At this point I think she may want to take Liz. Vanessa has explicitly promised both, but the deals with Steve are older and she’s more recently getting in to the details with Liz.
It’s really about who gets second if Vanessa is involved and makes it to F2. She won’t lose to either of them even with Liz starting out with two votes in her corner. I don’t even see Steve voting against her if she cuts him. He’ll respect her game move more than being bitter enough to vote for Liz.
What do you think Vanessa is up to here? Her “word” can’t be good with both players if she wins Round 3 and I don’t think she’ll possibly throw that comp to avoid breaking a deal. So what’s the game plan? Honor her F2 deal with Steve or Liz? Share your thoughts.
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Re: BB Day 93 9-18-15
Banjo 2015-09-18, 17:35
http://www.cbs.com/recommended-galleries/1004356/the-17-all-time-hottest-big-brother-showmances/87076/1-jeff-jordan-/
There's only 3 true showmances over the 17 years. Jeff/Jordan, Brendon/Rachel, and Dominic/Daniele. All the rest were game strategies or brief dalliances. What happens with Austin/Liz after this season remains to be seen, but I predict a quick parting of the ways.
My favorite for all seasons:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2720772/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm
http://www.eonline.com/news/380400/big-brother-stars-dominic-briones-and-daniele-donato-marry-in-huntington-beach
There's only 3 true showmances over the 17 years. Jeff/Jordan, Brendon/Rachel, and Dominic/Daniele. All the rest were game strategies or brief dalliances. What happens with Austin/Liz after this season remains to be seen, but I predict a quick parting of the ways.
My favorite for all seasons:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2720772/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm
http://www.eonline.com/news/380400/big-brother-stars-dominic-briones-and-daniele-donato-marry-in-huntington-beach
Banjo- Moderator
- Age : 86
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